Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-4530750-20160228040801/@comment-4530750-20160228094451

Ihzeokk wrote: @Everyone,

This event has brought out something the Wiki's Owner and the Admin Team need to address. What do we do with people/groups that abuse people in some form (psychical/mental/emotion/financial/etc)?

I’ve been in this community in 2009 and I have seen and heard of multiple groups and people within the community that have been abusive to other roleplayers. Are we going to just remove TSG and Dion’s pages because we don’t like them or are we going to do it to everyone who has been abusive?

We first need to discuss what constitutes the removal of pages form this Wiki and to what extent? In the case of TSG, do we remove everything related to them or do we only remove their group page and the character pages of their leaders? After all TSG have played a part in our community’s history and have at one point ruled Falador. Do we then have to discuss with censorship within our community?

I’d also like to point out that this discussion is against the wiki’s policy on non-wiki conflicts.

Non-Wiki Conflict Policies

 * 1) It is not the responsibility or place of wikia administrators to determine who is correct in any in-character or out-of-character conflict. Administration will not interfere with the contents of an article in favor of either party in such a conflict.
 * 2) Debate over such conflicts is destructive to the wiki and not permitted on site; resolutions must be reached through different media.
 * 3) Development of community pages such as historical articles or guides in favor of one party over the other in such a conflict prior to conflict resolution is not permitted. Such pages may be temporarily locked as protection from vandalism or other destructive editing while the conflict is resolved.
 * 4) While courteous debates and discussions are permitted in blog posts and relevant talk or comment pages, community-wide debates which may have an impact on role-play should be reserved for the Official RuneScape Forums.

You're misconstruing most of the policies; they pertains to taking sides in a conflict such as land claims. One person writes that they're the Sultan of Al-Kharid and then another person says no, you can't, I'M the Sultan of Al-Kharid.

As for the 4th clause, we actually can't discuss this on the official RuneScape forums anyway. It would constitute as a call-out, and would get locked. Logically speaking, we would put it there for visibility purposes but seeing as this pertaisn ONLY to the wiki, it's here, even if we could discuss it on the official forums.

As I stated in my earlier post: only their TSG page would be removed. They would not be removed from the annals of RSRP history in any way and their other existing articles will remain (such as Dion Magnan's character page, for example).

Concerning other persons that are abusive: maybe. Bring it forward and it would be discussed, but this is a rather large-scale problem. It's not as though only one person has been affected by it: there have been multiple victims that have been shaken up pretty badly.

We come here to have fun. For that to be possible, I believe that a safe and comfortable space is required.

@Ivan:

I mentioned "good roleplay" and "bad roleplay" because I've never heard of any of those players being legitimately horrible people. Pyro himself has some serious issues with aggression in that he won't lay off. Ever. It feels like he just doesn't catch the social queues or just can't let it go. However, I'm convinced that it's a mental health problem and not because Pyro is an awful person, or anything. You can be a dumpster roleplayer without being a terrible human being. People that think those two go hand in hand even though there's no evidence of the second have some things that they need to address.

I think that the disclaimer idea is a good one, though it's not the path I would personally pick off the bat. In a way, it might even be a better option than deleting the page altogether - it gives information and context where otherwise they would just get wiped and people would need to navigate to the forums rather specifically for the information they might need/want.

As for other TSG members sharing the behavior: yes, but most of them don't use the wiki. There's a handful of TSG members that use(d) it to begin with: Pretty Melian, Dion, the player formerly known as Sarah Rovin and about two or three others. Sarah Rovin (unsure of her current name) has displayed far worse behavior than Dion's own and has delved into the stalkerish and over-all very creepy on multiple occasions, without mentioning multiple counts of vandalism on the wiki and very belligerent behavior. She has, however, since been permabanned.

Even if were just a problem with Dion, the same idea would be deposited, because clan/guild/group member behavior reflects on the whole of the group the more highly placed they are.