Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-4530750-20160228040801/@comment-4560572-20160228092356

"As a side-note, Pyro, Dylan and Magma don't have wiki pages. Even if they did, so what? They haven't done anything bad. Good roleplay is subjective, and punishing someone for roleplaying things we don't like or roleplaying 'poorly' isn't something that we'll ever consider doing. There's a very sizeable difference between "dislike" and "actually awful person/people"."

Those were just examples. Whether or not they have a wiki page was irrelevant to my point. And, from all the stories I've heard, Pyro is definitely pretty aweful as a person. Then you have to think "Why do I dislike this person/group?" From my own experiences, its never just been "Because his rp is poor." and has almost always stemmed from "He/she/they are nasty/aweful people OOC."

I also never mentioned anything about 'good roleplay' or 'poor roleplay' in my original points, so I'm not sure where that came from.

"As for the IC/OOC barrier: bull-shit. This is an OOC wiki to begin with, so that argument can be thrown out the window right off the bat. The pages aren't IC in any way. Trying to make us sympathize with the IC =/= OOC thing isn't going to work here, because that would suggest that you can use all of the information found on the wiki, in-character, which is simply not the case. "

Information about TSG could very well be something found in a book or tome in-game/IC'ly. The same could be said for just about any kingdom or group if they were influential enough; Not everything would be available IC'ly; To think that would be absurd.

"Not wanting to roleplay with people that you don't enjoy playing with isn't bad, either. Proper communication is absolutely vital to build any kind of cool or interesting plot, which is one of the reasons why public roleplay has so many issues: there is no communication. This has gotten better over the years, of course, but it's still fairly bad. There's nothing wrong with not roleplaying with people you can't roleplay with cordially. It's like talking to someone knowing all you'll do is scream at each-other. It's not constructive, fun, or interesting. It's just unpleasant. "

I agree with just about all of this. The latter few sentences are why I stopped doing any RP combat for a long time unless it was with people I knew and trusted.

"No one is suggesting to remove their names from the annals, either, just to delete the TSG page, essentially. The character pages might still be linked to articles such as the different history of the Kingdoms pages. "

And thats something I still cannot get behind. The TSG page and its content has nothing to do with the IRL people behind it other than they made the group. I'm more for sticking a giant disclaimer at the top of the page more than anything.

"There's more to it than just "I'm going to delete this because I don't like it". It's a matter of promotion and the illusion of support. By not denouncing something, you're silently supporting it. It's a method of denouncement. They've done a lot more than just what's written in that letter. There is a limit, if only a soft-cap, and we're now forced to acknowledge a pattern of behavior as wiki-users because the information has been brought to us in a very forthcoming fashion. "

Then denounce it openly with a disclaimer on the TSG page. When we're in school and learning the history of major genocides or tyrannical regimes we're told these are horrible acts and are not condoned by civilized society; Why not the same here? I don't want to believe that you would think that just because the Holocaust is in our history books that the people who wrote the book condone it.

All in all, this still looks all too Orwellian to me. Keep the page up, but with a disclaimer on top detailing that some of the people involved are rather terrible people and caution is adviced. Bedazzle it if you have to.

Side note: From what it looks like, Dion and many of the other TSG upper echelon have left RS RP in favor of Minecraft rp but I may be wrong. So I ask: Are there still members of TSG who mirror Dion's behavior? If the answer is no, then why is this a problem? If the answer is yes, then I say put up the disclaimer.